"Role model isn't the right word," says Ozan Kabak when asked which fellow players he looks up to. "But Virgil van Dijk and Benjamin Pavard impress me."
Impressed he may be, but it should not surprise anyone there is no hero-worship from the teenager, who strode onto the Bundesliga scene with a confidence that strongly suggested his steps at Stuttgart — like Pavard's — are just the first of many.
Parallels with Pavard can be easily drawn. The France international had just a handful of first-team appearances under his belt when he left Lille to move to the Mercedes Benz Arena in 2016. Stuttgart were in Bundesliga 2 at the time; Kabak was faced with the prospect of the second tier too, but has already proven that — at the age of 19 — he can compete with the big boys in their own back yard and has secured a move back to the top flight with Schalke.
"Ozan is one of the most promising young defenders in Europe and will be an important cornerstone of our squad in the medium term," said Stuttgart sporting director Michael Reschke when Kabak put pen to paper on a five-and-a-half year deal in mid-January to complete a switch from Galatasaray.
He had already done enough with the Turkish giants, whom he joined aged 11, to convince iconic coach Fatih Terim to give him not only his first-team debut but also throw him into the deep end of the UEFA Champions League. Rather than drowning, Kabak repaid the man he calls "a father figure" by all but walking on water for the Istanbul outfit.
Terim got another present at the end of the season as Kabak sent him the shirt he wore on his Bundesliga debut when Stuttgart were beaten 4-1 at Bayern Munich in late January, tangible proof of just how far the Ankara-born defender has come in a short time.
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His numbers harden up the suspicion that Stuttgart, and now Schalke, have snared another gem: 64 per cent of aerial challenges won, he came out on top in 60 per cent of challenges overall, and completed 84 per cent of passes. By comparison, Mats Hummels' stats were 66, 68 and 91 in the same categories.
But the 2014 FIFA World Cup winner was playing for the title-winners and is 11 years older than Kabak. It doesn't take too much stretching of the imagination to think the Turkey U18 international will be at least that good in a decade's time.
"He's got a lot of potential. He's still very young. You could see in the game against Hannover that he's got a lot of talent. He's very laid back, very calm and doesn't let the club's current situation [in a relegation fight] bother him," said Stuttgart's ex-Bayer Leverkusen and Borussia Dortmund midfielder Gonzalo Castro last season. "He's definitely got the talent to play at a big club."
Kabak can lay claim to outdoing Hummels and a good many other of his defensive counterparts in the goalscoring column for 2018/19. He tallied three strikes in just 15 appearances — a total beaten only by RB Leipzig's Willi Orban and his compatriot at Fortuna Düsseldorf, Kaan Ayhan, both of whom played significantly more games — and his brace in the 5-1 win over Hannover on Matchday 24 saw him overtake Hakan Calhanoglu as the youngest Turkish player to score twice in a Bundesliga game (aged 18 years, 11 months and seven days). Only Timo Werner and Horst Köppel were younger in scoring their first doubles for Stuttgart.
"It's incredible how worldy-wise he is for his age. It's astonishing. I see him every day and am amazed at how he mature he is," explained Stuttgart's current sporting director and ex-Germany international Thomas Hitzlsperger. "He wants to know everything; he wants to learn German right away and understand everything. That's the kind of attitude we need. He's already a role model, despite his age."
"He's got a good head on his shoulders, he's not the kind of person to do crazy stuff," added Stuttgart captain Christian Gentner. "His greatest strength is how uncompromising he is in tackles."
That courage brings with it inevitable bumps and bruises, and the odd break, such as the nose fracture and facial wound he suffered in the play-off first leg against Union Berlin. Yet, he still lined up for the return, which sent Stuttgart down.
Kabak may have been down but he was not out. Dusting himself off after that broken nose, he has set his focus on the future and building on his burgeoning Bundesliga reputation with a move to heavyweights Schalke. A club known for its development of youth, expect to see Kabak truly take shape in the forges of Gelsenkirchen.
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